Mikita Balesni and Tomek Korbak, licensed OpenAI security researchers, give us their first interview since their dramatic dismissals. They take us inside the company during METR’s investigation into the Hugging Face hack, explain why OpenAI’s rebuttal doesn’t hold water, and describe how the fight for AI safety is still playing out inside the company.
Additionally, we present our new segment, Pandora’s Box. Elon Musk wants to give every American child a SpaceX share, new documents in the OpenAI wiretapping case reveal the suspect’s conversations with a member of the Saudi royal family, and new horrors unleashed on us all by Silicon Valley. For a transcript of this episode, see npr.org/machinegods.
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